Black Ops.

[Andy Jammer]

Right right right, I wanna though but I'm too immersed in campaign right now.

[Enizo]

Sad thing is, I'll probably be done with it tomorrow.

[Andy Jammer]

Then I can beat it without having to wait.

And although Medal of Honor kinda used the song, when I play online I'm so playing Linkin Park's The Catalyst.

[Enizo]

You'd be rocking to the music so much you wouldn't realize that you walked into enemies. Which is why I should probably play with you, just to keep you safe.

[alexanderthegreat]

=/ Well Mark, I'm sorry that I don't want to honour veterans such as my deceased grandfather by shooting a virtual man in the face on the day they wanted the guns to cease firing.

But that's a personal preference. I'm not saying it's "wrong", I'm just saying it's uncomfortable and a little in poor taste. Had they released it weeks before I probably wouldn't care so much (and even still, it's not a huge deal) but ehhhhh, it's just something that makes me cringe and sigh a little.


Edit: I DO find it amusing how I'm logged in as Alexander making this statement now hahaha. Though that's me using whatever account I'm RPing in currently =p

[Enizo]

Nevertheless, I doubt they meant to insult anyone with the release. Modern Warfare 2 came out nearly one year age (the 10th), that's probably why they released it on the 9th.

[Aya Dauzi Invargas]

As far as I'm concerned, seeing as there's references to terrorist groups in some of these games, I forget which one in specific was sued for using the Taliban as a specific group, and were forced to change the name.

These people don't really care about who feels what about the game itself, it's just that it sells. >:. So really, both your views are valid cause no one can disprove the other. I mean, some people may find the cold war's deep secretive operations as an homage to unsung heroes, others may find it a senseless violent game released at the wrong time. I mean, if Call of Duty 4 MW2 were released on 9/11, we'd all have problems eh? Just thinking of the airport scene. X.x;

So, all in all, we have our opinions. Its a game in my eyes, but eh. To each their own.

[Enizo]

I believe you're talking about Medal of Honor, in which case I don't believe we sued them (it falls in the section of freedom of speech I think), but we pressured them into changing the name

[Aya Dauzi Invargas]

Point taken, but the main concern of my argument was more than people would be upset if Modern Warfare II were sold on or around 9/11.

So That's why Jess' point is valid and understood. But if you guys feel that its okay to be sold here around this time because they werent really paying attention to the date and just wanted to sell the game, thats okay too. Im just kinda saying that its a moot point. XD;;. Its a good game probably. Nuff said.

[Zeke Omoihake]

This whole thing I actually find interesting. Not the game so much...I had MW2 for online play, got bored of it. Might rent Spec Ops but it all looks kinda similar unless you're a military buff.

Nah, I'm more interested in the discussion about the constant struggle between war in video games and the conflict and controversy it inspires. Did anyone ever hear of a game called "Six Days in Fallujah"? Big war game set to depict the intense battle that claimed many loses on both sides in Fallujah during the Iraq war.

No? Not too surprising as the game received such a strong outcry against it that it was never finished. Of course such a thing is interesting as there have been movies about the Iraq war, books about the Iraq war and almost every form of media possible, from radio plays and on about the subject and yet not one has ever been so strongly objected to as the black sheep; the video game.

So the question is; why are video games the last straw for so many when it comes to depicting very harsh subject matter? People seem to be fine with death, destruction, and so on when it crosses into the fantastic. After all, GTA games get tons of bad publicity, but has anyone ever said a word about Oblivion or Fable? Six Days in Fallujah was cancelled because it was basically a documentary styled game where you played through the events of an actual war where actual people died.

Maybe that's the problem right there. Play. The word worked fine when it was the days of Nintendo and Sega firing out games about fast hedgehogs and jumping plumbers, but video games have grown broader. Whether a book is a comedy or a tragedy we say we read it regardless, but when you've interacted with a deep tragic story and perhaps even gotten emotional over parts of it...are you still just playing? Is it the same as playing a puzzle or fighting game? I known I could never say I played the "No Russian" level in MW2.

Something I just thought I'd share. Food for thought.

[annabelle]

^
I concur.

[Enizo]

Six Days in Fallujah is still coming out, apparently. Also to answer you question on why this received so much out roar.

Because Operation Iraqi Freedom is still very fresh in the hearts of Americans, British, and Canadians. With us still loosing people it's hard to see a game about such a gruesome advent take place... and having your five year old play it.

So it really comes to a point when Americans/Canadians ect are okay playing as the enemy and are okay with reliving historical advents, which is why games in WWII and Vietnam (sorta) is okay. In MW 2 they had a Taliban like group, with distinct differences and a different name and that was okay.

As of the clear answer to why GTA gets worse publicity then Fable...? Because it's a crime in the streets of some city killing innocent civilians and cops, why Fable is fantasy thus people can not relate to any past experiences.


And John? I think you meant 'Black Ops'

[Seigmand Dezmar]

Lol doi right right...Black Ops would be correct.

As for Six Days in Fallujah if it did come out that would be surprising news as information of its cancellation was revealed to me only last week and rumours of Atomic getting closed down for good were an all but certain possibility for the third party developer. Guess someone besides Komani might have picked them up. I'd sure hope for it at least.

As for the larger point of my previous post, I wonder if it's as simple a matter as recency. After all, you're right in that games based on Vietnam or WW2 seem to go under the radar, and it probably does have to do with the fact that Nazis don't really exist anymore.(They do, but you know what I mean) After all, you listen to any person on the news bring up the controversy and the arguments made against these games never touch on that.

People claim its terrible because they don't want a game out there where they could see their fallen child killed in the game, but how is that different when you could play a WW2 game where you might see your grandfather die? People claim interactive violence shouldn't be experienced by children, but that's kind of a stupid argument in the first place.(As the games are rated Mature for a reason, so no 5 or even 10 year old should be shooting people and seeing that crap in the first place.)

You never see someone really make an statement about those games being made too soon... and even then I still have to ask why we have material like "The Hurt Locker" or "United 93" out there that take an equally harsh and realistic look at the same material.

I'm not saying that any of what you said is wrong, because I've seen plenty of instances where grown men and women in the media use some of those reasons. I just wonder if there isn't more to it. I wonder if it's a fear of the unknown, a wariness of the unfamiliar, or perhaps something deeper in people that makes them apprehensive.

[Enizo]

I think the ending point to it all is that, because gaming is a new-ish industry and is just starting to really make a giant dent in the market (IE, MW 2 sold more then any blockbuster movie) people start to become more aware of it. I do believe movies were as criticized for their violence early on as games are, as of everything new people wonder if it'll have any effects on their young.

Which is why in the end I think people look at 'United 93' and 'The Hurt Locker' far more patriotic then 'Six Days in Fallujah'.

[Enizo]

Sales: The game currently smashed the one-day record of sales MW 2 put on, selling 5.6 million in one day ((Source: CNN)). I think it can be safe to assume it'll outsell Modern Warfare 2.

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Review:

Story is wonderful, it's like watching a movie. The twists and turns had me on the edge of my seat. Sam Worthington (Avatar), Gary Oldman (James Gordon, in the movie Batman) and other awesome voices brought the characters to life in the game. But of course the story is short.

Online play: Nothing is more satisfy then stopping their offensive with Napalm (Even though the attack isn't precise people somehow think they'll live through running into the flames), or perhaps getting a 15 kill-streak? Even better.

Zombies: The levels are far more extensive then it's past levels, having a good team is advised. So far I've gotten to round 14, pretty good, but I can do better.

Secrets: Dead Ops is weirdly fun, what you need to do to get it is break out of your chair in the main menu (the shooting buttons, on Xbox 360) walk over to the computer and type 'CD' enter, then type 'DOA' (Dead Ops Arcade) it's a very addictive game. You can also get an achievement by typing 'Zork' into the computer.

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9.5 out of 10, the main story could have been longer, but it's got so many other perks in the game that it makes up for the 2 day gameplay.

In other news MW3 was moved to 2011, my theory is that if 'Sledgehammer Game's' Call of Duty doesn't do well they still have a heavy weight champion to make up for the failure.