Combat Prowess Listing

[A.B.A.]

Hey there guys,

So like I said, lots of stuff I'm catching up on for the site, and this here's the second one. I've been wanting to play with a meta-rating for players to rate their character's combat skill and aptitude and I've finally got a beta put together for us to try. I'll be putting this up for everyone to look over and comment on, so if you have any questions, comments to add, or changes you think we can make to improve it please feel free to post below and let us know. Ideally I'd love for this to be something that all players can use on their profiles and have a little fun with.


Each character’s combat prowess is evaluated in 6 stats.

-Intelligence (Represents combat tactics, ability to adapt to strategies and to understand and read an opponent’s attacks and powers)
-Strength (Represents physical might, force of physical attacks and ability to block forceful attacks)
-Speed (Represents movement speed, quickness of attacks, reflexes in dodging attacks, and overall maneuverability in a combat situation)
-Stamina (Represents ability to endure damage, quality of armor, and ability to carry on in a prolonged fight without suffering exhaustion)
-Magic (Represents variety of spells, strength of magical techniques, and ability to use magic frequently without exhaustion)
-Fighting Technique (Represents combat finesse, martial training, efficiency in strikes, and aptitude at using or dealing with technical maneuvers such as counters, parries, feints, etc.

Rankings (A-E, with S allowed for Arc Villians/Arc Mentors/Transformations/Extraplanar Beings)
For a relative view on the ratings:
-E represents a normal civilian, basically like you and me
-D represents an average trained soldier or an apprentice mage
-C represents a recognized and powerful member of an army, likely a general or a mage who has learnt enough of their art to stand on their own
-B represents someone with superhuman talent in an aspect. These stats reflect mortal heroes and champions of the world to be revered or feared by the common man.
-A represents someone who's achieved a paragon power unheard of. A character who flaunts an A level stat is likely to have stories and legends passed down about their incredible power or skill.
-S represents someone who has tapped into something beyond what man can ever hope to achieve. These represent the powers and attributes of Gods and Demons, or primal powers that stand on their level.

Basic Character Maximum:
-1 As
-3 Bs
-1 C
-1 D

(Note: This represents a character that has reached the zenith of their fighting ability. Unless arc powers, arc weapons or final forms are found for the character, they are incapable of getting stronger, though their variety of powers may shift/grow/change. It's also important to realize that this is the max that a human being/base being can reach period, as opposed to the max that all characters can reach. As such it's entirely possible for a character to reach their max potential and still be weaker than this, as dictated by time dedicated to training, age, permanent injuries, natural ability, etc.)

Arc Villians/Arc Mentors/Extraplanar Beings Maximums
-1 S
-2 As
-2 Bs
-1 C

(Once again, these are simply maximums. Such characters are perfectly capable of being less than this and growing, either with time or with an arc's progression, or simply never reaching this max at all.)

Rules for Transformations:
-A transformation or altered form may come in one of three levels.
1st type: This is a simple altered state that the character can use with relative ease and without much if any repercussions. This is measured by having the character increase a single stat by one grade. Once this transformation has expired it cannot be used again for the remainder of the fight.

2nd type: This is a strenuous or complex transformation that the character uses, granting a high level of power in exchange for weakening or exhausting a character after it’s duration has expired. This is measured by having the character increase any two stats by one grade, or a single stat by two. After the transformation has expired the character is either exhausted, measured as a decrease in strength, speed and stamina by one grade temporarily, or must take an equivalent penalty of some sort approved by two site admins.

3rd type: This is a dangerous and/or reckless release of untapped power, granting access to incredible amounts of power in exchange for a devastating toll taken on the character after it’s duration expires. This is represented by three points allotted to the character to increase their stats as they see fit. After the transformation has expired the character is either completely incapacitated and knocked unconscious for the rest of the day, does permanent damage to their body or magical ability(indicated by a permanent decrease in a stat by one grade), or an equivalent penalty approved by two site admins.

Transformations may be applied to any character, however their effects and repercussions are to be decided and listed as soon as they are created, indicated by a separate listing of your stats on your profile.

Weapons/Armour:
Any weapons and armor of exceptional quality or power are to be considered when creating your character and as such will not rise a character above their maximum capacity unless it does so by initiating a transformation. If a character does discover armor, weapons or other special items that do grant a power increase it must be cleared by two site admins, and are only to be allowed if the power is either extremely limited(see Special Attacks/Skills) or carries a fair repercussion for using.

Special Attacks/Spells:
While characters are rated for their overall aptitude in each stat, some may possess exceptional attacks or skills that are considered higher tier than their average power. To fairly consider the impact of these attacks/spells in a combat situation these rules will help factor them in.
-A technique usable only once per day may be treated as if it came from a character with two stats one grades higher. This technique should either require a condition to use or a downside for using to prevent characters for overusing it.
-A technique usable only once per battle may be treated as if it came from a character with their stat one grade higher. Likewise this should either be a conditional attack, require an extended preparation to do, or a downside to prevent characters from overusing it.
-A technique that is usable with any more frequency is considered standard enough that it’s incorporated into their base stats and as such is not enhanced.
-This is not to be abused by players listing excessive amounts of single use techniques to artificially increase their power, nor is this to be combined with a transformation. These are specifically to highlight a character’s unique ultimate or finishing attack, if they have one.

FINAL NOTE: THESE ARE NOT AN ABSOLUTE INDICATION OF WHO SHOULD WIN FIGHTS. AT BEST THESE INDICATE A CHARACTER AT 100% FIGHTING A COMPLETELY FAIR ONE-ON-ONE FIGHT AGAINST AN OPPONENT THEY KNOW NOTHING ABOUT. ANY NUMBER OF VARIABLES MAY ALLOW A WEAKER CHARACTER TO DEFEAT A STRONGER CHARACTER, AND THESE SHOULD NEVER BE USED TO BULLY PLAYERS INTO LOSING SOLELY BECAUSE THEIR STATS AREN’T AS HIGH.

So yeah, let me know what you guys think. Comments, questions, etc. please feel free to post. If you like start putting them on your profile, as most likely we'll get the best sense of how well this works the more people put their characters up using this.

[A.B.A.]

I figure just to give an idea of how this looks, I'm just going to put all my characters up so you guys can have a look without having to hunt through my profiles to see it. I realize that a lot of characters might have weird powers or abilities that might create exceptions to an otherwise simple system(Heck even with Sahir and A.B.A. I had to make up something to make it work.) So likewise if you have a guy that might have something that doesn't fit into what I've described above feel free to ask about it. It'll be fun to figure out.


Seigmand Dezmar
Intelligence: A
Strength: C
Speed: D
Stamina: C
Magic: C
Fighting Technique: B
Altered State: Perfect Knowledge - 1st Level: When Seigmand has recorded knowledge on an opponents combat skills and powers he can pull out his journal and give it a quick scan to commit their combat style to memory. This gives him a +1 to his Fighting Technique, but becomes negated against any attack, transformation or move that his opponent has not revealed to him or the spies.

Zeke Omoihake
Intelligence: C
Strength: D
Speed: D
Stamina: C
Magic: E
Fighting Technique: C

The Other
Intelligence: C
Strength: A
Speed: B
Stamina: S
Magic: D
Fighting Technique: A

A.B.A.(Without souls)
Intelligence: E
Strength: C
Speed: B
Stamina: C
Magic: D
Fighting Technique: C

A.B.A.(With souls)
Intelligence: 1 lower than highest Intelligence of souls
Strength: C
Speed: B
Stamina: C
Magic: D
Fighting Technique: C or higher if she uses the weapon/fighting style of an “B” or ”A” fighting technique soul

Sahir Masbrati
Intelligence: D
Strength: E
Speed: D
Stamina: D
Magic: Equal to Opponent
Fighting Ability: D

[A.B.A.]

Hey sup one and all. John back again incessantly badgering you all with my ideas whether you like it or not.

Looking over this combat prowess thing I realize that the "stats as defined by letters" thing doesn't do the best job of defining exactly how strong something is suppose to be. Unfortunately even the clarification is vague, as likely some of us see examples of "paragon power" or "champions" in completely different light. As such, I'm hoping to use videos of characters from fiction as a way of displaying how powerful A and B level stats are. I'll probably do a little blurb on each below the videos, as those unfamiliar with the source material might require context as to why it should be considered the level it's at or why I'd pick what I picked.

Tiny disclaimer: These aren't set in stone per se. This is merely what I consider the levels to represent. If you guys don't agree, and think I'm either over or under-exaggerating them, please say so. After all, this is OUR site, not mine to decide on such things.

So let's kick things off. This post will contain solely A grade representations of all 6 stats.
INTELLIGENCE

So right off the bat, you might be wondering how I can call this an A in anything when the guy loses in the end. To put it simply, Usopp sucks. He's weak, slow, can barely take a punch, and aside from being a decent shot can't fight at all. Heck, aside from the dials his weaponry is even low class. Yet for those who know One Piece, he manages to almost beat Luffy and that's not a small feat. Based only on knowledge, planning and quick thinking an A class Intelligence character can likely fight 6 or 7 moves ahead, and figure out a way to turn an enemies greatest strength into their greatest weakness.

STRENGTH

What? Me, a One Piece fan? Perish the thought...
Anyways, yeah it's basically a guy punching a giant to unconsciousness. Honestly I'll admit this is the one that I wonder if I haven't gone a little too far, maybe even better demonstrating what S level strength is suppose to be as opposed to A, but that's why I'm asking you guys to comment. So yeah, let me know what you think.

SPEED

Just to clarify, A speed comes in after the weights are dropped.
So yeah, I know as much as the next guy that anime uses the warp animation trope A LOT, like a lot a lot to the point where it gets hard to say who is suppose to be faster than who show to show. The reason I'm using this fight over any other warping character fight is for one reason; the fact that we see what is actually involved in each "warp" without any cinematic slow mo time being used. Each motion used in the final barrage is not just warping to that point, but Lee actually recovering from the attack, bouncing off 2-3 different surfaces to get to the new point before leaping to meet Gaara in the air to attack again, all in the space of a tenth of a second.

STAMINA


Honestly this stat's sort of hard as you can take it two different ways. This doesn't measure only one's ability to take damage, but also to resist it. As such it requires two different videos to highlight the zeniths of each, as most likely a character won't possess an A in both respects. For Whitebeard, you see those two holes in his chest? Those are holes he had punched through him just moments ago in a whole other fight that he managed to walk off, only to then be shot and stabbed dozens of times before finally kicking the bucket. To clarify, what's to be taken away from this is not that he died in the end, but rather how much it took to actually kill him when he's just a mortal man.

The second video details brief uses of Sasuke's Sasunoo and Gaara's sand as the other side of the A level stamina coin. To be clear, these guys take no damage from some of the most deadly attacks in Naruto canon not by virtue of speed or blocking ability, but by their natural defences. They can very easily be killed were a simple knife to hit them in the right place, but it's an almost sentient force that safeguards them from said attacks that makes them deserving of that A rank.

MAGIC

To clarify, this is from a magical girl show, and anyone that knows there magical girl shows knows that each character always has a single ultimate attack. While I believe this clip exemplifies an A level magic attack, this is not just a perfect chance to showcase the magic A tier, but the difference between an A level stat versus the A level finishing move mechanic with this battle system. Each girl/guy here does is only capable of 1 A level magic attack. A character with an A level magic stat should feasibly be able to do all of these attacks, one after the other should it come down to it. Of course, as with the show's depiction of each attack, each one requires a large amount of prep and incantation, and as such one might argue that an A level caster could be weaker but faster with their spells. Once again, feel free to comment and let me know what you guys think.

TECHNIQUE

I know what you're thinking, Kung Fu Panda 2? Really? You post Naruto and One Piece and Magic Girls for the rest and for Technique you put Po as the example of A tier? Yes, and it's exactly because you scoff at Po that I put him here to showcase it. Much the same as Usopp, Po sucks. He's fat, slow, dumb, weak, and just generally a klutz. So when you see him taking a fleet of cannons on by himself and win, you know that there is no other reason for him to be able to do such a feat other than an incredible genius-level knack for martial technique.


So yeah, hope you enjoyed the vids and please comment. Am I syncing up with your ideas or is my head up my butt? Please start a dialogue and feel free to post your own vids of what you think exemplifies A level prowess in any stat if you have differing opinions. Remember, A represents not just the pinnacle of a character or your character, but the pinnacle of ANY character EVER, save for the whole bosses and extra dimensional beings group. I'll be hopefully putting up the list of Bs soon, to maybe give some insight into how far the difference is between it and A.

[A.B.A.]

Okay blah blah blah, B stat time! As before, please comment, debate, argue, post comparison vids or examples if you desire.

INTELLIGENCE

Only the first part of the fight here btw. Does a good job showing two intelligence B grade fighters; one that fights with good bluffs and deception while the other is skilled at traps and planning. However what makes them only Bs is they fail to plan consider any further than 1 step ahead of their opponent, and both are slow to recover the second their plan is discovered or beaten.

STRENGTH

Probably helps to use the same character for showcasing a strength feat. Obviously even the strongest normal human can't kick someone through 4 stories and split a whole building in half as a result, but it is a far cry from punching a castle sized giant. It does a good job not only showcasing how strong a B still is, but how wide the gap is between the two grades.

SPEED

Goku and Krillin are both a good indication for B speed, as both show a proficiency not just for simple land speed, but also acrobatics and dexterity. Likewise, while both do the "so fast you can't see them" warp, it's far rarer and certainly not to same degree as Rock Lee.

STAMINA

MAGIC

Not much to say about this one, aside from it's tomato head that I'm using for B in magic. Obviously the power difference from the A vid is big, but it is mitigated by how quickly he uses his magic and how versatile his powers are.

TECHNIQUE

Just to clarify, the B here is Mifune(the white haired guy).
Obviously Mifune is a character who excels in technique over anything else. Despite fighting a warrior with a magical weapon and many tricks he defeats him with exceptional aim, efficiency and skill. Every movement is shown to help him attack or ready another blade to attack, and while no one thing he does is amazing, the ability to fight so seamlessly with a scattered field of swords makes him someone who clearly possesses superhuman technique.


Okay honestly, I can't for the life of me think of examples of B level stamina. I'm putting this up for now, but I'd appreciate anyone offering some ideas for stamina. I'd like one for damage endurance and one for damage prevention if possible. Also, note that blocking doesn't count as damage prevention, as that's generally more a feat of strength than stamina.